debt ceiling crisis in august of 2011 when used on both sides of the aisle, when we reach the point the united states didn't have anymore borrowing authority that automatically meant default. it doesn't. that was a false definition then. it is a false definition now. we have enough money to operate essential components of this government that we can go on for a very long time. this isn't a crisis that hits a deadline that turns it into default. furthermore the economy of the united states, if we continue on this trillion dollar plus a year increase in our national debt does eventually hit a place of insolvency. that is what i fear. that is what most conservatives fear, martha. martha: but the president is basically saying to you, and the rest of the republicans in the house, that he is going to raise the debt limit. that the debt limit is going up. there won't be any negotiations over spending cuts that might offset that increase. there is going to be no negotiation. so what will you do? >> first of all i don't think the president can stay out of the dialogue because he was in it ye